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IN THIS ARTICLE HILDA LABRADA GORE INTERVIEWS DR. STEPHEN HUSSEY ON HIS OWN HEART ATTACK AT THE YOUNG AGE OF 34 - HILDA GORE IS THE HOST AND PRODUCER OF THE WISE TRADITIONS PODCAST FOR WESTON A. PRICE FOUNDATION. HILDA IS A CERTIFIED INTEGRATIVE NUTRITION HEALTH COACH WHO HAS TRAVELED EXTENSIVELY. SHE CONTINUES TO UNCOVER ANCIENT HEALTH PRACTICES. BESIDES WAPF PODCAST INTERVIEWS, SHE SHARES INFORMATION FROM EXPERTS, EXPERIENCES AND EPIC ADVENTRUES ON HER HOLSITIC HILDA YOUTUBE CHANNEL, SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS AND IN PERSON AS A SPEAKER AT CONFERENCES AND RETREATS. HILDA HAS ENERGY TO SPARE IN PART BECAUSE SHE KEEPS HER FEET ON THE GROUND AND HER FACE TO THE SUN.

HILDA LABRADA GORE: Structured water is critical to good health. But what is it? How do we get more of it in the body? Can it help us detox from disruptive ingredients in Covid shots and other injections? And can it prevent or help us heal after heart attacks? Dr. Stephen Hussey, author of several books (Understanding the Heart,¹ The Health Evolution² and Pain Sense³) did a deep dive into what caused his own heart attack at age thirty-four and is convinced that structured water has everything to do with shor­ing up and safeguarding our health. Stephen, let’s begin by talking about your heart attack.

STEPHEN HUSSEY: I’ll start with my history. I’m a type-1 diabetic and have been since I was nine years old. That heavily predisposed me to heart disease, which is what I’ve been told my entire life by various doctors. I was always curi­ous about why that would be and tried to learn about it, but I didn’t learn much from medical doctors.

Since college, I was very good at control­ling diet and exercise because those are things I could control. However, during Covid, I went through probably the most stressful time of my life. There were a lot of things happening that were frustrating to me. Then, I got some very stressful news about a close family member a day and a half before I had the heart attack. It wasn’t just the news itself, but it was the inability of me or my family to do anything to help this person. We were just sitting around waiting and hoping that it was going to be okay. (In the long run, it was okay.) I got that news on a Sunday night. Monday, all of that was on my mind. On Tuesday morning, I woke up and, unwisely, tried to do a very intense workout. At the time, I would sprint up a hill, drop into push-ups and do lunges until I failed. Twenty minutes later, I started having a heart attack.

In addition to the stress and that work­out—which was the straw that broke the camel’s back—there were other things at play. I was dehydrated based on the way I was eating and not replacing fluid and electrolytes. There may have been some oxalate dumping going on based on where I was with my diet at that time. Look­ing back, there were oxalates in my urine upon testing. It was kind of a “planets aligned” thing. However, the interesting thing is that six months before my heart attack, I had a coronary calcium scan (CAC) score of zero, which means no calci­fied plaque in my arteries. On the angiogram, when they placed the stent (and I could argue that they may not have needed to do that, but they saved my life and I’m grateful that I’m still here), they found no atherosclerosis anywhere in my coronary arteries—just a “ginormous” clot.

HG: Was this the impetus for your writing Un­derstanding the Heart?

SH: I had already started writing the book—and everything that I’ve written in the book I still agree with today—but I was able to include this story and my treatment in the hospital and all this stuff because of that. I was seeing the heart attack as a bad thing, because it was and I wish it hadn’t happened, but it made me dive even deeper into this topic. I’ve discovered a ton since the heart attack and even since writing the book. I could probably make that book 50 percent longer now. I’ve discovered so many things that further the argument in the book.

One of the best things that has happened since then is that I have had many people reach out to me who have been through (or are scared of going through) the same thing. They’ll say, “I want to talk to someone who’s been through it because I just get the same repetitive answers from my doctor about pharma and everything.” It’s almost become something that has allowed me to reach other people and help them.

HG: Tell us a little bit about the relationship of structured water to the heart. You’ve written that a lack of structured water in the vascular system is related to heart attacks. Can you explain that?

SH: Structured water is everywhere in the body. It’s what we’re made of. That’s why the tissue in my forearm feels like a gel and not like liquid water. It doesn’t feel like a waterbed. Structured water forms on the lin­ing of the artery.

There are lots of different components of heart disease, but the main ones that people talk about are vascular disease, atherosclerosis and plaque formation. When we look at what that is, it’s clotting tissue. Clotting tissue is what atherosclerosis is. Anything like scar tissue—you cut your skin and a scab forms—that’s clotting tissue. When you analyze atherosclerosis, according to some studies, it’s about 87 percent clotting tissue. Very little cholesterol is present. There’s a bunch of scar tissue there. That happens because if we damage the lining of the artery and the body can’t repair it or it’s excessively damaged, the body has to do something to stop the artery from being damaged or else it’s going to rupture and create a bleed. So, it deposits this scar tissue, just like when you cut your skin and a scab forms. That’s what atherosclerosis is.

To me, this whole chasing-down cholesterol thing is a wild goose chase. In reality, we should be asking “What is clotting?” and “What creates clotting?” Rudolf Virchow found that out in 1856. He concluded that three things [called “Virchow’s triad”⁴] create clotting: damage to the lining of the artery, poor or stagnant blood flow (or interrupted blood flow) and elements of the blood being too sticky—that is, sticking together too much. Those are the things we should be paying attention to.

If we want to prevent clotting, how do we stop those things from happening? It turns out that structured water helps us do all those things. There are lots of different names for structured water (“fourth-phase” water, “exclusion zone” water or “bound” water) because lots of different scientists have come across it at different times, but it has some unique properties. One is that it forms on water-loving surfaces, and all biological surfaces are water-loving. When we have water, a biological surface and energy to the water, it will structure itself into this gel. That happens on the lining of the artery. They’ve shown that in Dr. Gerald Pollack’s lab. The reason they call it an “exclusion zone” is because nothing can really penetrate it; it’s this almost impenetrable barrier. The only things that can penetrate it are small hydrated ions of minerals. If we have intact structured water there, it’s a barrier that protects the lining of the artery. That’s number one in Virchow’s triad—protect the lining of the artery.

HG: When we interviewed Dr. Pollack on this subject, we learned that this is a different form of water. We may have learned in science class that water is always a gas, liquid or solid, but Dr. Pollack discusses a fourth phase that’s more gel-like. People always say, “The body is 60 percent water,” but as you point out, it’s not liquid—it’s in this other form, and this is a good thing.

SH: That gel is like jello or like bone broth when you put it in the fridge or like raw egg white. It’s kind of gelatinous. There are lots of different fascinating places in the body that it forms, but one is the lining of the arteries.

The second thing is that because of the way structured water forms and how it cleaves off one hydrogen, you’re left with an oxygen and hydrogen of water; those oxygens and hydrogens team up and form structured water. That makes the structured water very electronegative. The hydrogens that are cleaved off are right next to that. So, you have a positive and a negative area right next to each other—and that’s a battery. We all know that when we put batteries in some­thing, we have to align the positive and negative sides. That creates energy. Again, they’ve shown this in Dr. Pollack’s lab; you can put electrodes of a light bulb into the positive and negative side of the water and power the light bulb.

In a tube (like an artery, a vein, a lymphatic system, or wherever), this energy that’s created by the formation of structured water propels the fluid—because there is some liquid water in the body going—through the tube. They’ve shown that you don’t need a contracting heart to do this. This is how most of the liquid moves in arteries and in the lymphatics.

HG: That’s what Dr. Tom Cowan said in his book, Human Heart, Cosmic Heart: the heart is not a pump.⁵ This aligns with what you’re saying.

SH: That’s number two in Virchow’s triad: keep blood moving. Stop it from being stagnant and interrupted.

And the third thing is that the elements of blood—whether red blood cells, lipoproteins or whatever else is in the blood—are also biologi­cal surfaces. Structured water from the blood (because the blood is about half water) forms on those things as well. When it forms on those things, it gives those elements of blood some­thing called “zeta potential,” which is a negativecharge—because the structured water holds a negative charge. If you have two things that hold a negative charge around them and they get too close to each other, the negative charges repel each other so they stay evenly spaced in the blood. That prevents things in the blood from clumping. They’ve done interesting studies where they look at live-blood analysis on peo­ple, and they see that after people do grounding and things like that, the zeta potential increases and the red blood cells are evenly spaced. That’s number three in Virchow’s triad: keep things in blood from coagulating or sticking together.

If we build structured water in the body, it would prevent all the things that encourage clotting to happen in the vascular system. In my case, I got into a state where that stuff didn’t happen, or I had low amounts of structured wa­ter and then I did that workout. It created a lot of inflammation, because a workout is slightly in­flammatory, and a clot formed. The reason that it happens most commonly in coronary arteries is that they’re under the most pressure of any arteries, especially the left anterior descending arteries. If there are things that break down structured water, they get pushed up against the lining of the artery more. That’s why more atherosclerosis happens there and why heart attacks are more common than “liver attacks” or things like that. There are liver infarcs and kidney infarcs, but they’re much less common than heart infarcs.

HG: If people want to learn more about struc­tured water, they can check out the interviews we did with Dr. Gerald Pollack, and Tom Cowan has spoken about it at our conferences. I love the fact that the earth has energy which helps structure the water in our bodies in the proper way so that it can do all those good things. When I interviewed Tom, he said, “The best thing you can do for your health is walk on the beach barefoot, holding hands with a loved one,” and Pollack said something similar.

What does structured water have to do with the Covid shots?

SH: It’s not just the Covid shots. In my research for my next book, I was reading Gilbert Ling and some of his work on bound (structured) water in the cell. I noticed that he used polyethylene glycol (PEG) or ethylene glycol in some of the experiments that tested what would happen to a cell. Ethylene glycol helps things get into cells, and they didn’t know why.

Ling figured out that the reason it helps things get into cells is because it breaks down structured water. I found this very interest­ing that when he injected ethylene glycol into cells, at first he would find that the cell would shrink, which almost suggests more structured water being formed (because structured water is denser and more compact than liquid water). Very soon after that initial shrinking, how­ever, the cell started to expand, which meant structured water was being destroyed. Once it becomes liquid water again, the liquid water expands. It takes on a formation that looks like ice, but ice is less dense—that’s why it floats in water. Structured water is denser; it becomes more compact.

Ethylene glycol is one of the ingredients in some of the vaccines. It was polyethylene glycol, which, by definition, is just a string of ethylene glycol molecules.

-PART 2 TO BE CONTINUED-

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